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The Rules We Are Ditching in Midlife

Speaking your truth after 40 often feels like breaking rules you were praised for following your entire life. In this episode of Drinks With the Girls, Karen and Lisa unpack the unspoken expectations midlife women are finally questioning — from people-pleasing and emotional labor to staying comfortable instead of honest.
This conversation explores midlife reinvention, gaslighting ourselves into staying unhappy, motherhood, caregiving, divorce, and the exhaustion that comes from carrying invisible responsibility. We talk about the difference between being comfortable and being stuck, why choosing yourself can feel radical, and how speaking your truth reshapes relationships, identity, and self-trust.
If you’re navigating midlife change, questioning old roles, or feeling ready to stop minimizing what you want, this episode will make you feel seen — and less alone.
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🍸☕ What We Were Drinking:Bare Life Hot Cocoa Mix
Starbies and Water🥤💧
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Smart Financial Moves for Women Over 40 – With Karen Van Voorhis, Pt. 2

Why does money feel so complicated, especially in midlife? Because it is. And yet, as Karen Van Voorhis gently reminds us in this episode, that doesn’t mean it’s impossible—or that we’re behind.
If you’ve ever stared at your pay stub, shrugged at your 401k, or avoided eye contact with your Fidelity login like it’s an ex at the grocery store… this episode is your financial permission slip to get curious, not critical.
Karen Van Voorhis, our favorite no-nonsense, ultra-compassionate financial planner, is back. And she’s bringing the clarity, calm, and a dash of humor to the kinds of money questions that keep us up at night. Roth vs. traditional IRAs, new retirement options inside employer plans, what to do if you’re newly single or starting over in your 50s—she covers it all. And spoiler alert: if you’re not “maxing out” your contributions or don’t even know what you’re contributing… you’re not alone.
We also dig into the emotional side of money—the blame, the shame, and the “why didn’t I know this sooner?” spiral so many of us fall into. Karen V. offers a refreshing reframing: this isn’t a failure—it’s just a chapter. And we can learn this, one month, one question, one login at a time.
💸 For every woman who’s ever felt intimidated by her finances…💼 For entrepreneurs navigating retirement solo…🍷 And for anyone who's ever whispered “I probably should know this, but…”—this episode is your soft place to land.
Pour a drink (even if it’s cranberry ginger ale) and join us for a conversation full of real talk, relief, and a few laughs about the big, messy topic of money in midlife. Your future self will thank you.
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🎙️Guest:Karen Van VoorhisDirector of Financial PlanningDaniel J. Galli & Associates
🍸☕ What We Were Drinking:Modello BeerMichael David Petit PetitGinger Ale w/Cranberry Juice
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Book Review: Chelsea Handler's "I'll Have What She's Having"

When Jane Fonda tells you to get your shit together—you listen. That’s exactly how Chelsea Handler’s latest book kicks off, and trust us, it only gets juicier from there. This week, Karen and Lisa crack open I'll Have What She's Having and find way more than celebrity gossip or comedy—they find a woman doing the deep, uncomfortable, glorious work of coming home to herself.
From therapy breakthroughs to choosing solitude over settling, Chelsea’s story is a love letter to living life on your own damn terms. And the girls don’t just review the book—they reflect on their own midlife pivots, from embracing quiet mornings alone (finally!) to dreaming up a Drinks With the Girls retirement compound where your chosen family does life together.
Karen and Lisa are your trusted guides through the messy middle—wise, hilarious, and never afraid to go deep. Whether you’re recovering from a breakup, reevaluating your life goals, or just wondering when it’s your turn to come first, this conversation will leave you laughing, thinking, and maybe even planning your own solo trip with a side of sushi.
This episode is for every woman in her 40s, 50s, or 60s who’s ready to stop shrinking and start showing up—boldly, beautifully, and without apology.
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📖Book ReviewChelsea Handler’s “I’ll Have What She’s Having”
🍸☕ What We Were Drinking:
Cab Franc
The Millennial Cigarette
🎧Podcast Episodes:
Smart Financial Moves Pt 1
Buy the F*cking Lillies Episode
📖BooksBuy the F*cking Lillies by Tara Schuster
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What Every Woman Over 40 Needs to Know About Functional Medicine

If you’ve ever been told your labs are “normal” but you still feel exhausted, anxious, inflamed, or just off, this episode is for you. We sit down with Dr. Tracy McCarthy, a functional medicine physician who helps women understand what’s really going on beneath the surface in midlife. From hormone shifts and thyroid dysfunction to gut health and the long-term effects of stress and trauma, Dr. McCarthy explains how the body and brain are deeply connected—and why so many women feel dismissed by conventional medicine. We talk about the difference between functional and traditional approaches, how mental health symptoms often have physical roots, and why tuning in to your body’s signals is the first step toward healing. This is a must-listen for anyone navigating perimenopause, mood changes, fatigue, or feeling like a stranger in their own skin. You’ll walk away feeling informed, validated, and more equipped to advocate for your own well-being.
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🎙️Guest:Dr. Tracy McCarthyWebsite: https://www.drtracymccarthy.com/IG: @drtracymccarthy
🍸☕ What We Were Drinking:ModeloCelestial SeasoningsYogi Green TeaThe Devil's Own Walnut & Fig RumGood Earth Sweet & Spicy Tea
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Forced Reinvention in Midlife: When Life Doesn't Ask First

What if the life you built… suddenly wasn’t yours anymore?
A job gone. A marriage ended. A role you gave everything to—vanished. In this raw and unfiltered episode, Karen and Lisa unpack what happens when midlife reinvention isn’t a choice—it’s a reckoning.
This isn’t the “vision board” version of starting over. This is the kind where your world gets pulled out from under you, and you're left staring at the pieces, wondering who you are without the title, the partner, the plan.
Through real-life confessions, hard-earned wisdom, and one hell of a rage room fantasy, we talk about what it means to survive the collapse—and still believe in your own comeback.
You’ll hear:
What it’s like to be let go… and still expected to show up
The grief of losing identities we didn’t realize we built our lives around
How a therapist’s brutal truth bomb cracked one of us wide open
The messy but honest truth about rebuilding self-worth from scratch
By the end of this episode, you’ll feel seen, validated, and maybe even a little less alone in your own midlife plot twist.
Perfect for anyone who’s tired of pretending they’re fine and ready to find what’s real—even if it’s still a little broken.
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🍸☕ What We Were Drinking:Monteluna from Monserate WineryTrader Joes Sparkling Green Tea with Pineapple Juice
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New Year, No Bullshit: Midlife Wellness On Our Terms

🌿 What if the “New Year, New You” mindset is actually making you feel worse — not better?
If you're over 40 and exhausted by toxic wellness trends, diet pressure, and the constant demand to “fix” yourself every January… this episode is your reset.
We’re tossing out the guilt, the grind, and the goals that don’t serve us — and replacing them with something radical: self-trust. Lisa and Karen dive into what real wellness looks like in midlife, from body image and movement to motivation that actually lasts.
💬 Real talk moments include:
Why rage rooms (yes, literal rage rooms) are helping us reset
How to stop measuring your worth by productivity
The surprising mindset shift that brings peace and momentum
Letting go of “before and after” thinking — especially when it comes to your body
✨ You’ll walk away feeling grounded, seen, and ready to embrace the New Year without betraying yourself.
Perfect for women over 40 who are done with perfection, craving permission, and ready to redefine what thriving looks like — on their terms.
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🍸☕ What We Were Drinking:
Trader Joe’s Tangerine Probiotic Sparkling Beverage
Squirt
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Neurodivergent Eating: Healing Your Relationship with Food After 40

What if your struggles with food, focus, and fatigue weren’t failures—but signs that your brain has been asking for a different kind of care all along?
In this eye-opening episode, Karen and Lisa sit down with nutrition and wellness coach Caroline Hinchliff to unpack the messy, misunderstood relationship between neurodivergency and nourishment—especially for women in midlife. If you've ever stood in front of the fridge completely overwhelmed, skipped meals out of guilt or chaos, or asked yourself “Why can’t I just get it together?”... this conversation will make you feel seen, validated, and a little less alone.
Caroline doesn’t just talk about ADHD or food as checklists or diagnoses—she gets to the emotional core. The shame, the sensory overload, the decades of diet culture that taught us to shrink ourselves, not feed ourselves. She brings compassion, real-life wisdom, and a few truth bombs (like why biology always wins over willpower).
We talk about everything from late-in-life ADHD realizations to parenting neurodivergent teens, the lies we inherited about health, and what it actually takes to build nourishing habits when your brain doesn’t do “routine.”
Expect confessions, hard truths, and the kind of gut-level clarity that sticks.
Perfect for any woman in her 40s, 50s, or 60s who’s tired of trying to fix herself—and ready to start feeding herself, instead.
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🍸☕ What We Were Drinking:
Guest: Caroline Hinchliffhttps://eathikelove.com/
🍸☕ What We Were Drinking:Vernacia sparkling red something (Karen had the nerve to recycle the bottle before we wrote the show notes ☹️)
HopWatr - Peach
Craftwell Cocktails Pineapple Margarita
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The Truth About the Mental Load for Midlife Women

If you’ve ever walked into a room and immediately scanned the emotional temperature, remembered five birthdays, scheduled a dentist appointment, and wondered why no one else noticed the moldy milk in the fridge… this episode is for you.
This week on Drinks With the Girls, Karen and Lisa dive headfirst into the exhausting, invisible work known as the mental load — and why it hits midlife women especially hard. From managing everyone’s emotions to spinning all the plates (even when we have no forks left to give), we’re unpacking what it really means to be the default project manager of life.
We talk about:
What is the mental load, really?
Why emotional labor peaks in your 40s, 50s, and beyond
The myth of “doing it all” and how it’s wearing us down
How to begin putting the damn bag down
This one’s raw, real, and full of laughter, sarcasm, and solidarity — with a splash of wine-in-a-can wisdom.
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🍸☕ What We Were Drinking:
Bloom Energy Drink in Cherry Lime
House Wine - Rainbow Rosé Bubbles
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Welcome to the We Do Not Care Club

This week on Drinks With the Girls, Karen and Lisa dive into the viral “We Do Not Care” movement — and let’s just say, it’s giving hot flashes and zero apologies. From twisted bras and visible nipples to ditching people-pleasing and zucchini muffins, they unpack what it really means when midlife women start saying nope, not today. Inspired by Melani Sanders' wildly relatable videos, the conversation gets real about boundaries, identity, and the freedom that comes when estrogen drops and your tolerance for BS goes with it.
This episode is for every woman who’s ever felt guilty for setting a boundary, burned out from trying to do it all, or just plain tired of sucking in her stomach. You’re not alone — and guess what? We do not care.
Includes talk about:• The We Do Not Care Club & its hilarious origins• Why midlife women are DONE with the emotional labor• The connection between menopause and letting go• Real talk on boundaries, bras, and being unbothered• What we’re finally learning to care about instead
Grab your drink, pull up a seat, and welcome to the meeting — no bra required. 🍸
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🍸☕ What We Were Drinking:Plift Tart Lime
Arbonne - Tart Cherry Energy Fizz (Retired), Skin Elixir, GutHealth
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Daughter Lessons: Rewriting the Mother–Daughter Story

This one’s for every woman who’s ever wondered if she was a good enough daughter—or a good enough mom.
Karen and Lisa sit down with attorney, writer, and self-proclaimed Queen Bee, Bernadette Catalana, for a conversation that’s tender, honest, and full of midlife wisdom.
Inspired by her book Daughter Lessons: Wise and Witty Reflections on Leading, Learning From, and Loving Our Daughters, Bernadette opens up about raising two girls, navigating the emotional complexity of mother-daughter relationships, and how writing helped her process grief, aging, and identity. From healing generational wounds to finding herself after the kids left home, Bernadette’s story is a reminder that it’s never too late to reflect, reconnect, and redefine what legacy means.
Pour yourself something cozy—this episode explores:
Letting go of old narratives (and writing new ones)
The surprising grief of launching grown children
Reconnecting with hometown roots (and old heartbreaks)
Keeping the promises we make to ourselves in midlife
The beauty and bravery of sharing our stories—even the hard ones
Whether you’re a mom, a daughter, or someone trying to make peace with both, this conversation will hit you in the heart and stay with you long after the last sip.
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🎙️Guest:
Bernadette Catalanabernadette@daughterlessons.com
https://www.daughterlessons.com/
Daughter Lessons: Wise and Witty Reflections on Leading, Learning From, and Loving our Daughters by Bernadette Catalana
Bernadette on LinkedIn
🍸☕ What We Were Drinking:Pacifico w/LimeDrink Up Witches GlassStella Artois LiberteRosé Wine
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